May 16, 2025

The Torah Dilemma – what exactly IS Torah? – Part 3

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Over a number of years I have had contact with various “Messianic” people who see themselves as “Torah Observant” and who correctly see Yahooshua {incorrectly Jesus} as Messiah [the Anointed One who was to come]. The question that arises is whether Torah Observance as in a formal study of texts and observance of texts is relevant in this age.
This broadcast explores the question “what EXACTLY IS Torah” and reaches a controversial conclusion

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important to understand that as a believer, just being good

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is not the point. It's relationship with y'all that counts.

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Without this, you will be in a very unpleasant place

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in heaven with no way out. I aim is to

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show you how to get close to Father. If you're

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a good person without a clear relationship with y'all, then

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you are in a spiritual no man's land and will

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not enter heaven when you die. The Creator has said

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regarding unbelieving, why would I want someone to spend eternity

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with me when they do not believe I exist? You

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serve him and help them to have victory over certain Fundamentally,

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we each need to learn to see things on Earth

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from your perspective. Please visit my website at www dot

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End Time Issue Ministries dot org. Will email me on

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to ask questions. Today we're going to talk about the

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Torah dilemma. What exactly is Torah? And this is part three?

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So the overview. Over a number of years, I've had

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contact with various messianic people who see themselves as Toro

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observant and correctly see Yo sure incorrectly Jesus as Messiah,

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the anointed one who was to come. The question that arises, oh,

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excuse me, is where the Torah observances in a formal

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study of text and observance of texts is relevant in

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this age. In saying this, while I've read the so

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called Old Testament from bearaschist Genesis to Malachi Malachai over

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twenty times since I came to sur file to year intensely,

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while that it has never impressed on me that I

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should become observant of some of those books. At an

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intellectual works level, this broadcast explores the question what exactly

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is Toro and reaches a controversial conclusion. We will also

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review your relationship with the Creator. So this is based

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on the article twenty twenty four to twelve oh four

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the Torah dilemma what exactly is Torah? And we're continuing

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the section the mutty Yahoo five seventeen to eighteen conundum.

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So consider in particular Hebrews four, verses fourteen to sixteen.

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Seeing then we have a great high priest has passed

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through the heavens. Yahoo sure, incorrectly, Jesus the son of

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Yea incorrectly. God. Let us hold fast our confession. We

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do not have a high priest who cannot sympathize with

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our weaknesses. There was in all points tempted as we

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arre yet with us, and let us therefore come bold

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into the throne of grace, we may obtained mercy and

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find grace to help in time of need. So the

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poltical priesthood was replaced once and for all by yasure.

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So all elements of the five books that Genesis Exodus

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relyticuous numbers in Deuteronomy. All elements of the five books

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dealing with the priesthood were fulfilled by your sure and

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therefore they fall away. In the broader context of this oracle,

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consider Hebrews Form eleven to thirteen. It has therefore be

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diligent to enter that rest lest anyone fall according to

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the same example of disobedience. The word of your eyes

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living and powerful and sharper than any two edged sword,

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piercing even to the division of solent spirit and the

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joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts

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and intents of the heart. There's no creature hidden from

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his sight, But all things are naked and open to

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the eyes, to whom we must give a count. Again,

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we see that it is the spirit of the Earl

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that moorderates and judges us, not human beings or law books.

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Returning to the Five Books, continuing the discussion of whether

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the Five Books constitute the Torah, the Five Books write

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about what Mashi Moses did that certainly levitigus numbers in Deuteronomy.

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They are clearly not written by Mashie, although in some

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locations that quote what Marshi said. Some claim that the

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Five Books were written by Marshi, which is clearly not true,

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as the most superficial reading will reveal. So, folks, there's

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a lot of tradition, hype, myth around those five books.

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There people who believe that they were dictated to Marshi

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Moses by Yah before Marsh's death, setting out exactly what

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would happen, excuse me, setting out exactly what would happen

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after the death of Moshi Moses. And we've gone through

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that in quite a bit of detail here. Further, we're

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not glove puppets playing out our lives in some pre

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orchestrated gerard. This would be extremely unjust. Girls clearly said

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to me that he does not know what I will

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do or say in one minute's time, if a loane

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months or years from now. We were designed to operate autonomously,

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independently and exercise our will and discretion in everything. The

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fact that we've turned out to be much more self

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willed and foolish then you're intended does not mean he

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plans in our lives for us. We are the ones

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who mess her bekes. This is so important. There is

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a widespread view that Yeah has planned out my life,

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and implicit in that is an abdication of responsibility for

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Highland my life. Not me personally, but anyone who believes that.

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So there's songs about how Yay has planned out people's

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lives and how things have gone are foreordained, and it's

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really not true. Father wanted friends who had the ability

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to make decisions, the ability to discern, the ability to create.

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He didn't want glove puppets. The fact that things went

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completely out of line with Moshi, with Satan and Adam

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and and Adam and haber Eve disobeying you are and

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eating the forbidden fruit and and in control on earth

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to Satan all sorts of things went wrong between the

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time that y are set out to create us and

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those early days, and they continued to go wrong since

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they yard did not intend us to live in this

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missed up and muddled up, mixed up world that we

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live in. His plan was perfection, and he gave it

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to Adam to look after, and Adam messed it up.

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So to impute a perfect just destiny for yourself or

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anyone else is just not right, folks, when even you're

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sure who came with a clearly defined role, exercised his

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will and his discretion and his choices moment by moment

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throughout his life, and that enabled him to qualify for

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a high throne fraternity. He wasn't some sort of glove

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puppet that Father put on the earth and then directed him.

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What's the point I really ask you to see that?

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So it's actually a gross insult to y'all that, in

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this messed up world to suggest that our lives are

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for ordained by your There have been specific instances where

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you are sets up an agenda with the Spirit before

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sending it to earth, as in the case most notably

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of you are sure that I tested on a minute ago,

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but This is by far the exception rather than the rule.

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We have to exercise our will and do what it

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text to qualify for reward in Heaven of our own volition.

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And as I said a moment ago, that even then,

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you're sure exercised his will throughout his life. If he

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had not, he would not have qualified for the highest

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throne his life withouts and would be nothing to remark about.

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I hope you are understanding what I'm saying. Folks. You

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are one hundred percent accountable for what comes out of

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your mouth, where you go to, what you do when

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you get there, your relationship, your friendships, your wife, you

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how you treat your wife, your husband, your children, your employer.

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It's all at your discretion or by your choice. I

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can't stress this enough. Yah is not in control. In fact,

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things are so badly out of control that Ya has

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said unless there is a dramatic turnaround in the next

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few years, there will not be a single significant believer

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left on the earth in one hundred years time, let's

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say twenty one hundred and twenty five, maybe twenty three,

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twenty two. It's also believed by many that the Torah

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provides guidelines for compliance with the laws of Yah, which

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I've referred to previously as jurisprudence. Again, much of the

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Five Books is history and not law, and certainly not jurisprudence,

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so the five books count even in that sense, be

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Torah or law. Folks, there's a whole lot of tradition,

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quite a bit of it passed down from Jewish believers,

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and the Jewish people lost their right to claim to

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be the chosen race when they killed their Messiah. They

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are anointed one Yahoo, sure sure came to set them free.

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They killed him. Yeah, and you're sure expected that to happen,

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But it didn't have to happen. They exercised their will,

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their choice to kill their Messiah. At that point, the

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veil of the temple was rent from top to bottom,

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so it had to be done by Yah. And it

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showed that the Ark of the Covenant was not in

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the temple in the set of part base the most

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set of parp base. So the high priest was a

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false false, the offering for atonement was false. The law

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of the Covenant, then, commandments in the Ark of the

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government had gone at that moment in time, the people

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of Israel ceased to be Yr's chosen people, and the

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mantle past to the early believers those that followed Yehoushire,

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and then they moved on, and they moved on to

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Christianity and Jesus and Christmas and God and the Lord

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and and and and by six hundred years from the

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time of Joushur, they were so off track that Yah

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sent Mahamad and the mantle past to the Muslims, and

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the Musdim's got so off track that along came Martin

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Luther and the mantle past to the Protestants. And in

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the nineteen nineties, the Christian Protestant believers got so off

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track that the mantle was withdrawn from them. And since

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then there is no chosen group of people. The playing

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field is level and open to you, no matter where

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you come from, no matter what race you are not,

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don't matter what religion you are. Yah is looking to

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you to seek to become his friend, even if you're

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an art and art setans note the true law as

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in the laws of your country wherever you are listening to.

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This is very specific, it's highly structured, it's definitive, It

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closes all loopholes, and the vast majority of the writings

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in the five books do not meet this requirement. Folks,

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what I would say to you is, if you are

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someone who says that the five books so again Genesis, Exodus, Liviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy,

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if you are one that believes that those are the Torah,

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that they're given by Y'ah, that they're definitive, I just

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encourage you to take the blinkers off for a minute

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and read those five books, thinking critically as quickly as possible,

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without asking questions, just taking notes, and then at the

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end tell me, sincerely whether you think that that is law,

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because I suggest for your consideration that it is not. Further,

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if the five books are a book of law, as

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many claim, it is clearly apparent from careful reading that

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the five books are not all the point I just made.

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It's also apparent on careful reading that the individual books

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are made up of disjoint fragments and not one coherent

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statement of laws and associated jurisprudence. It is my contention

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that this results from reassembling fragments during the exiling Babylon,

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and we've spoken about that. As noted previously, there are sections,

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primarily in Leviticus that are moderately structured and take a

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form that can be regarded as law. But that's it, folks.

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This whole thing about the Bible is the word of God,

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the Five Books, or the word of your It just

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doesn't hold water if you take that wrong belief and

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put it on one side and read carefully. Now, I

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want to stress, folks, is what I'm saying. I've read

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from Genesis to Revelation over twenty times in numerous different translations.

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I've read from Matiya and Matthews Revelation another fifteen or

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so times. I've curated the version of the Bible, the

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whole Protestant Bible, all sixty six books, with a whole

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lot of errors corrected, and you can find that on

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the website. I do know what I'm talking about. I'm

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not talking theoretically about the Bible of the five Books.

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I'm talking from a base of a thorough understanding and

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a thorough knowledge of those five books. And then I

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stated before, there's a significant portion of the Five Books

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that deals with the Tabernacle, the ark of the Covenant,

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the priesthood, the induction of the high priest, the offerings

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for repentance and atonement for sin, the institution of the

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new covet of the Covenant with Moshi. All of those,

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all of that text in the Five books was fulfilled

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through the death of Yahoushur and replaced with a new

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and better covenant. Note Hebrews eight thirteen, in saying you,

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he has made obsolete the first and that which is

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growing old and aging is near vanishing. Note near vanishing, disappearing, disappearance, obliteration.

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Also Hebrews twelve twenty four. And to your Houshure, the

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mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkling of

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blood leading to better things than that of able. It's

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important to understand that when he died, and there was

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an earthquake and a crack was formed from the foot

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of the steak on which he died, and his side

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was pierced where he died of a broken heart, because

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you took his spirit from him, his side was pierced

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with a spear, and blood and water ran down the stake,

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down the earthquake crack, onto the lid of the ark

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of the Covenant. It's really important to understand that facts,

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because once you understand that, the whole death of your

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Houshure becomes much more meaningful. Much more understandable in terms

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of what he accomplished, and that information has only been

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available since eighty two, when Ron Wyatt discovered the Covenant

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to ask the Father miraculouss. Miraculously showed him where it was.

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There's an article on the website, the Miraculous Planning of

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the Death of your Houshure, Where, how, and what? If

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you go onto the website a little three dots at

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the top right end side of your browser which will

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very slightly depending which browser you use, and click on

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that and get a drop down menu, and one of

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the options will be searching this page or something similar.

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We'll find in this page. You click on that, you

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start typing miraculous into that search bar, and it will

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find the article for you. So a point that I

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made several times, but it is fundamental that you understand this.

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We left with the Ten Commandments and various verses which

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amplify the ten as limited jurisprudence, plus the great commandment

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love you are with all your heart, mind, son, strength,

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plus a limited amount of other jurisprudence as elaboration, quite

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a bit of which is obsolete. So I want to

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suggest for your consideration, folks, that the true Torah, the

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Torah written in our hearts, is the ten commandments. So

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the best one can say is that true Torah as

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law is made up of these last few items, and

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even quite a few of these are set aside in

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the New Testament. For example, the prohibition with regard to

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eating unclean animals is set out in Acts ten nineteen

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to nine to sixteen. The next day, as they went

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on their journey and drew near the city, Peter went

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up on the house stop to pray about the six hours.

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Then he became very hungry and wanted to eat. But

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while they were ready, he fell into a trance, and

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he saw heaven opened, and an object like a great

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sheet bound at the four corners, sending to him, let

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down to the earth, and it were all kinds of

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four footed animals of the earth, wild beasts, creeping things,

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and words of the air. And the voice came to him,

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rias Peter kill and eat. Peter said, not so other

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than I incorrectly, Lord, for I've never eaten anything common

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or unclean. The voice spoke to him again the second time.

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What your eye has cleansed, you must not call common.

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This was done three times, and the object was taken

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up into heaven again. There are other verses which confirm it.

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When I first published this racle back in December, a

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chap on the mailing list took issue with me and said, no,

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this was to show that Keefa Peter should go to

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the Roman centurion. And that's true, but it doesn't not

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to the fact that he was told to kill an eat,

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and this guy got into a whole thing about that.

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I was out of line with this point that I've

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just made, folks things that I think well. Amongst many

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things that I continue to increasingly understand is that there

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is a huge amount of the Bible that is contaminated

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by the beliefs and attitudes of the people who wrote

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it down. There are also things about things that were

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applicable three thousand years ago that are not necessarily applicable today.

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So to a crowd of people in the middle of

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a wilderness, a desert with limited food and resources, there

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were some dietary restrictions that I really suggest for your

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consideration that whether you eat a bit of pork noan again,

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or a bit of shellfish has absolutely nothing to do

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with your relationship with your Having said that, I do not.

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I went through a period where I actively believed that

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those things were forbidden, and I generally hardly ever touched pork,

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I hardly ever touched shellfish. But I do it now

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out of a choice believing that Father says that's not

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the best for you, not out of some religious thing,

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which is I'm going to get in trouble with God

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because I had a bit of pork crackling or something.

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There's a lot in the Bible. There's a manifestation of

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the prejudices and issues of the people who wrote it,

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and there's more which is relevant to that time in

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history but isn't necessarily relevant today. And it may be

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relevant if you're living in a country with poverty and

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pigs in dirty settings. Maybe then pork is not ideal.

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There's evidence reported that eating pork is not particularly good

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for you. There's a difference between saying Y'ah has said

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pork's not that good for you, so rather don't eat it,

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as opposed to God says you mustn't eat pork. And

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I don't want to make a mountain out of a

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molehill here, but I just want to make that point.

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And then there's the share or poor credibility issue. Note

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that the mean the word Paul again, is it one

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of these meaningless English words coming out of meaningless Greek words.

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He was a Hebrew Suaw and that's just a manifestation

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of the corrupt thinking that went into the English translation

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of the Bible way back in the time of King James.

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And it's just been slavishly followed and followed and followed

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in the whole huge body of tradition, et cetera has

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built up around it. My focus is, let's get back

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to the basics. Let's get back to the fundamentals. So

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note that in so far as Hebrews in particular is

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attributed to Shaw Paul, it is important to note that

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the Final Quest chapter six versus one twenty nine to

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two thirty two report Shaw seated on a very high

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throne in heaven, so he is clearly esteemed by Yah,

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and seeking to discount his teachings as some do, is

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not valid. This discounting is particularly done by people who

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have an intellectual engagement with the Five Books as supposedly

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formal Torah law, something that Shaw corrected in a number

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of his writings. As we've seen above. In Hebrews shall

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moved from being an intense Torah keeper to being a

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highly spirit lead, and some tora keepers find this offensive

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and speak ill of him. Further, there are all sorts

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of details in the Books of Good News, the Gospels

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of the so called New Testament, the books from Matiyahu

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to Revelation, Matthew to Revelation, and you are sure that

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are not contained anywhere in the Old Testament. For example,

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with regard to the woman caught in adultery, your sure

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calls on those without send to cross the first stone,

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nor walk away who can incorrectly John eight, chapter eight,

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verse eleven. So yeah, sure adds a new context to

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the jurisprudence regarding the commandment regarding adultry. Five books also

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do not include numerous items of jurisprudence that are contained

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in the end Tamisha Ministry's website and other publications by

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others lead by the Spirit. And I've talked about that before.

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I'm not going to go into Yeah. The thing about

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to cost the first stone for the woman caught in adultery,

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strictly speaking, is the death penalty for breaking any one

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of the ten commandments. In practice, it turns out that

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that death penalty is more stringently applied in some case

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than in others. But the principle of the woman caught

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in an adultry is yourho sure is saying you cannot

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judge if you have sin. So before you call out

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somebody as a sinner, before you condemn somebody, you need

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to examine yourself. And if you have sin, back off,

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shut up, and deal with your sin. Judge not lesta. Also, judge,

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do not remove the spec from your brother's eye until

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you have removed the plank from your own eye. Those

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are just a few sayings of your houshir, folks. There

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is so much of this which is about the difference

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between intellectual head rules and spirit led heart rules. Being

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led by the spirit, So you can either get close

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to Ya and have him guide you, or you get

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close to some books and mess up, like the people

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messed up who put your shirt to death. So it

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is my contention that the only law, the only Torah

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written by Ya in person, is the Ten Commandments. It

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makes sense that this is what he writes on the

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heart of two believers. So, looping back to the discussion

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of true Torah, we have to conclude that since the

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Ten Commandments are the only law spoken out to the

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masses in person by Ya and carved by him on

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tablets of stone, indicating they will never change. This constitutes

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the true Torah and is the Torah that Yah writes

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The Torah Dilemma – what exactly IS Torah? – Part 3

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